Discussion Forum

Integrating two RF application modes

Topics: 3.5a, RF Module, 3d

Thread index  |  Previous thread  |  Next thread  |  Start a new discussion

RSS FeedRSS feed   |   Email notificationsTurn on email notifications   |   5 Replies   Last post: October 16, 2011 7:32pm UTC
Shakeeb Bin Hasan

Shakeeb Bin Hasan

February 21, 2010 11:22am UTC

Integrating two RF application modes

I want to simulate a 3D waveguide geometry using 3D transient wave propagation mode of RF module. The input field at one of the far cross-sections is an eigen-mode of the waveguide.

I create a multiphysics models with both 3D Electromagnetic waves transient wave propagation and 2D perpendicular waves application modes included. The latter is used to define the cross-section of the waveguide which is then simply extruded into a 3D object for 3D transient wave propagation.

After solving the eigen-mode using 2D perpendicular waves analysis, I want to put in the generated field distribution in one cross-sectional boundary of the extruded 3D waveguides. But the problem is how to access the 2D field distribution in this extruded 3D geometry?

Intuitively, I tried defining Extrusion coupling variable in the 2D geometry and selected the desired boundary of 3D geometry as destination. But this doesn't work The variable is not recognized in the scope of 3D geometry.

I will really appreciate if someone could inform me on how to make do with this thing as I am really exhausted searching through manuals in vain. Please let me know if I need to clarify the question or settings more.

Thanks in anticipation.

Reply  |  Reply with Quote  |  Send private message  |  Report Abuse

Jing Wen

Jing Wen

January 17, 2011 1:30pm UTC in response to Shakeeb Bin Hasan

Re: Integrating two RF application modes

Hi, I have exactly the same problem as you had. Did you find a solution already?

Reply  |  Reply with Quote  |  Send private message  |  Report Abuse

Shakeeb Bin Hasan

Shakeeb Bin Hasan

January 20, 2011 10:03am UTC in response to Jing Wen

Re: Integrating two RF application modes

Yes, I think I did. What specifically you want to know and which version?

Reply  |  Reply with Quote  |  Send private message  |  Report Abuse

Jing Wen

Jing Wen

January 20, 2011 10:26am UTC in response to Shakeeb Bin Hasan

Re: Integrating two RF application modes

Does the cross section of your waveguide include different subdomain with different material?
I would like to know how to do it respectively in version 4.0 and version 3.5a.
Did you do it similar to an example of "waveguide adapter" the model library by using a combined "Boundary model analysis " and "transient electromagnetic waves"?
I had a problem to define the boundary condition to be the eigenmode of mode solver.

I guess there are some other way to do it without combined module. Just extract the field of the eigenmode from the mode analysis using Matlab and import it to the transient module. I never try myself in this way. Did you also do it like this?

Reply  |  Reply with Quote  |  Send private message  |  Report Abuse

Shakeeb Bin Hasan

Shakeeb Bin Hasan

January 21, 2011 3:35pm UTC in response to Jing Wen

Re: Integrating two RF application modes

Well, waveguide adapter model mode is not sufficient in transient analysis in which you have to define the field variables manually. But the beginning steps are the same, first mode analysis, then set manual value of propagation constant, and finally store solution in solver manager.

Now incorporating this result finally in the transient analysis module can be done rather easily by selecting scattering boundary condition. Doing mode analysis on the same boundary for the sake of simplicity, just write

Ex: real(tEx_rfwb*exp(i*w0*t))
Ey: real(tEy_rfwb*exp(i*w0*t))
Ez: real(En_rfwb*exp(i*w0*t))

Note that for above statements to be exact, x-y plane must be parallel to your boundary/waveguide cross-section. Then the z-component would be field component normal to the boundary as I have written. Also make sure that frequency w0 is defined already.

And I don't think it would be so straightforward to export solution from Matlab back to Comsol

Reply  |  Reply with Quote  |  Send private message  |  Report Abuse

Muhammad Mohsin Rehman

Muhammad Mohsin Rehman

October 16, 2011 7:32pm UTC in response to Shakeeb Bin Hasan

Re: Integrating two RF application modes

Hi,
I am usning COMSOL 4.0.I want to model electromagnetic waves model in 3D for heating purpose and see the effect on fluid.I can build the model by defining an Edge Current but I am not getting the temperature as a result instead I am getting the E-field distribution.
In addition, I want to define Port in the model (with Power Input and Electric field with propagation constant) instead of Edge Current (with current). I tried to define it but it gave me error, can you please help me out?


Many thanks in advance.

Reply  |  Reply with Quote  |  Send private message  |  Report Abuse


Rules and guidelines